Jack Baurle on Swimming (2011)


Introduction: Hi, I’m Matt Kredich. I’m one of your ASCA Board Members and it’s a great pleasure to introduce Jack Bauerle to you today.

Jack is just simply one of the giants in our profession. His career is just remarkable to look at. He has achieved some pretty incredible single season highs and honors, winning 4 NCAA championships. He has been the head coach of the world championship team 3 times and most recently, he led our women’s Olympic team to an incredible performance in Beijing in 2008.

His career also has incredible breadth. He has been doing this for a long time. Jack has been the head coach at the University of Georgia for–he’s heading into his 32nd season–33rd season. He has done 32, heading into 33 and he is showing absolutely no signs of slowing down.

His numbers are staggering. He has coached over 1500 All-American performances, won 8 SEC championships with his women’s team. He has coached 77 individual national champions. He has been the NCAA coach of the year five times, SEC coach of the year 15 times.

It’s pretty amazing, so there’s this giant of a man and it’s the year 2005 and I was coaching at a school, University of Richmond; we had one NCAA qualifier and we were at the NCAA championships and I was at the elevator and really consumed with my one swimmer and all of the issues that go along with that championship meet and in walks Jack Bauerle and I’m like, oh, this is great.

“Jack, how you doing? I’m Mac Eckrich.”

He goes, “Good man, nice to meet you. This is not looking good.”

I’m like, “Really?”

He goes, “Yeah, Caroline’s got a fever, team looks awful, we’re going to struggle. It’s going to be a long week.”

So, in 2005, what proceeded to happen was Jack’s relays won every relay. They won the NCAA by a hundred and some points. It was never close and then Caroline ended up pretty well, but that really tells you something about Jack. He’s incredibly friendly. We have a mutual friend that says, he has never met a stranger, he’s very humble and he’s very thorough.

The best thing that I can say about Jack and what I try to emulate is that his athletes are incredible people. They are THE most gracious competitors that we compete against. They’re tough, tough racers. After every race, they have a smile for their competition. They appreciate great performances in other people and they’re always great kids.

The NCAA has an award which is the highest award that can be given to a female athlete every year, one person gets it and it’s been given for I think 19 years now and that’s across all sports and all divisions, the NCAA Woman of the Year Award. Three of those award recipients had been coached by Jack Bauerle and to me that says–it speaks volumes about the kind of program that he runs and the kind of person that he is.

And also, three of them have also been coached by our National Team Director, Frank Busch, so that’s great company, but I love to introduce to you, Coach Jack Bauerle.


Jack Bauerle: Thanks, Matt. It’s always an honor to be in front of you and it’s also an honor to coach against Matt. He’s unbelievably well thought of in our conference and it’s really sort of a mild conference. No one really cares about competition much in the SEC and–but–at any rate, it’s–he brings a lot of class to our conference which I appreciate, but also I do remember being a little nervous on that–and that was our best NCAA we ever had I think.

But anyhow, I just want to say it was great winning four, but what Matt failed to realize the ones you remember, we were also second five times, last year also to Terry McKeever and so those–you remember those as much as you do and you always wonder as you know, when you have time by yourself, you wonder what you could have done differently and a couple of times, there were probably a couple of things that you feel like you could have coached a little bit and have done a little bit better with.

But as you can see this is sort of an open-ended talk and I’m just going to talk a little bit about swimming. So, obviously I’ve been threatened not to talk about my beloved Philadelphia Phillies that won, swept the Braves last night in the three game set and now we’re playing Milwaukee tonight and they’re actually on right now. This is the largest margin we’ve had over 500 in the history of our program and–my program, but–so anyhow, I’m pretty excited about baseball right now, too.

And somehow or another, I was sneaked in here, but this is just a fun talk. I promise not to keep this for real long because I think this is the one right before lunch and everyone sort of had their fill a little bit, but I just like to talk about a couple of things that I think I’ve done right and maybe probably a few more that I’ve done wrong. That looks really good up there and that will probably stay there. It’s–I don’t have any PowerPoint stuff; I don’t know how to carry it or even figure it out. I wouldn’t notice it if I was up here, so, anyhow no slides, no nothing.

I think I might try to put up some workouts this afternoon. That’s a little bit of a different talk in our program. It’s not a recruiting talk. It’s just probably some things that everybody does, but some things I really do think that work and–so anyhow, let me just talk a little bit about I–this is going to be a little hairy, I don’t really know how to do this. I talked to my staff–well first of all, let me do this.

I want to–anytime you get a chance to be up here, I think it’s really, you know, I look out and I see people, I see Danny Flack who helped me. He is at Baylor right now. He was part of our National Championship Team in 1999. I was really fortunate to have Steve Bultman, who has done an unbelievably great a job down at Texas A&M, who’s–we go back–we compete against other, but Steve was with me for two years and brought an unbelievable amount of expertise and I think really helped us jump start things at our program, too.

Steve Bultman: It was four. It was that quick, huh?

Jack Bauerle: Well, was it four? Yeah, but you left. And–but anyhow, so at any rate–was it four? [Laughter] Seriously. We had two really good years though. Yeah. Oh, geez. We won the conference then the NCAA, so, Steve left right after that. He says, that’s probably as good as it can get.

But I think it’s really important when you have people that you can get that know as much or probably more in most cases for me, more about swimming. If you can get surrounded by those types of people, it’s a great thing. Hey, Gretch. And so–but I think probably more than anything when you’re looking at people–I had Danny there and Steve, obviously they were great people but they are also very loyal.

And anytime you hire, I think it’s really important that you hire for loyalty first and their knowledge second. You can always teach young coaches how to coach and you can lead them a little bit, but the loyalty factor is something else. And I’ve been fortunate at Georgia, this is not that kind of talk, but this is just an example. Harvey has been with me for 31 years now and actually longer because I’d coached this son of a gun and then Carol Capitani has been with me for 15, our diving coach and then Dan Laak, our diving coach, has been with me for 25 years.

So, I do have a diving coach who does other kinds of work. That’s the only way we could have survived. He’s in charge of other things because I really can’t fathom when diving coaches think they work hard and they leave so early and don’t do anything else and they worry about six kids. So, but anyhow, we never lost an NCAA championship because of diving, but we won one, so I still like it a hell of a lot and we won one by one point and we had a diver get two that year so, in my mind diving still is really very, very important.

But, at any rate it’s just a couple of things I want to talk about on swimming and I asked, I called my staff who is–this is like an open-ended talk. I think it says swimming on there which really means I didn’t get back to John’s letter in time to tell him what I wanted to speak about. And–but this, I’m coming off a really fun, fun thing and I just–like I said, I want to be able to thank people here when I get an opportunity. I think it’s the best thing you can do when you stand and–because all of this no matter where you are, whether you’re in a club situation, high school situation or college, it doesn’t really matter. Everyone has had a lot of help to get where you are.

Very fortunately for me, Dick Shoulberg took me on in 1979. That was a summer after I first started coaching and just for the young coaches here, I think it’s always a good lesson: Go where someone you think that can really help you and Dick was the one. He was in my hometown. It worked out well. I stayed at my mom and dad’s house, they were down at Jersey Shore pretty much all summer, and I just stayed in there and we worked everyday. We did a five-hour job on Saturday. Everyone knows Dick and his program and we only did four hours on Sundays.

And my payment that summer was a small little camera and I’m pretty sure Dick paid for it. And I don’t know, anyhow it worked for at least a year and it was a really nice camera. But anyhow, I took some good pictures with that and then he sent me out because Dick realized that at a very early time in the ’70s, that he was smart enough to realize someone else should take care of Junior Nationals for him and not everyone has that luxury. So, the thing you know, he just sent me out to Juniors and I screwed up an entry immediately and that made me paranoid for the rest of my career and served me extremely well.

I had a wonderful parent that was really upset even though it was the girl’s third best event and then you know, I never heard the end of it. And I called Dick about it and he said–well, I can’t tell you what he said, but he said, “Don’t worry about it. And tell her this.” And so anyhow, Dick was unbelievably important and just a gigantic help and just a big support and obviously as I went along I had help from all my assistant coaches and I’d like to thank also Jon Urbanchek who sort of gave me [Indiscernible] [0:11:24] do what some of things we do at Georgia and put a–sort of just a little bit of form to what I thought was best, but he was extremely well organized, much more than I and it really helped me along in doing our program, and still has a gigantic effect.

Eddie, who when on usual night, this is probably not for public–is this for public knowledge and is this being recorded? But anyhow, we–I roomed with Eddie and Mariz last night and we do this all the time. We actually–it’s a sad thing, I know. We actually had more fun rooming together when we do by ourselves and so, we had an unusual night. Eddie was up for a while. He had drunk a little iced tea last night and about four glasses, so, I think he was up at 1 or 2 o’clock and 3 o’clock.

And then I can go to sleep immediately, so, I was in bed at 10 and then I started getting calls at four. I call a lot of people in the East Coast at 7 or before. So, I started getting calls at 7 o’clock. Most people didn’t know where the heck I was. So, everything started at 7 o’clock.

So, Eddie just finished–just got to sleep around 2:30 or 3:00 and I woke up and then I stayed in the bathroom sitting on a covered john for about an hour and one half doing phone calls. So, Archie Bunker had this great little phrase about two ships passing in the night. Well, we were two ships passing in a night last night, so we finally woke up and then we started talking as always about swimming. And as you well know, Eddie is an expert on everybody’s program. It’s great to be around him and if you have any questions about how you’re doing, he’ll tell you.

And also, I mean–I do remember this. This goes way back to the ’90s. He would call me. We’ll have a dual meet and he’d looked at everything, get the results and then I get a call and he said, “You know, you should have swum somebody here and this and that” and I go, “Eddie, we won the meet by a hundred points. And, but anyhow, he’s got this unbelievable knowledge and also a quest for new things and learning new things all the time so, we just had a blast and we had a good time. So, I want to thank Eddie all the time publicly.

And I also just came back from World Championships, I want to say something about that. I had a terrific staff. I mean I feel a little uncomfortable on saying it, but Jon was on our staff and he’s been on, I don’t know probably, he’s been on staff since the ’70s. So, to have Urbanchek is an unbelievable feeling when you’re supposedly in charge of anything.

Teri was with me, who you just listened to. She is a remarkable coach, remarkable person and Todd, who you listened to this morning on the first talk. So, that was our staff for the ladies at World Championships.

As you know, I think it was, I don’t think I’m prejudiced in saying, I think it was probably our best international performance on the women’s side maybe since 2000 at Sidney, which is a great jumping off place for the next year. That said, we can’t be complacent and our swimmers can’t be complacent because all of a sudden we threw something out there and in some countries that we beat – I’m sure it didn’t sit well and some of the ones that lost a few medals and the way they did, I’m sure they have a bug in them to do a lot better.

But I want to thank that staff because it was an amazing staff and just fun to work with and it’s always a pressurized thing. I mean, you go from the college situation and NCAA which is pretty high gear, but this, everything is going on the line here. This is World Championships and if you’re going to be reminded of our first news conference, you walk in and there’re probably 300 or 400 news people there.

And actually as I remember in–I turned to Eddie I said, you know maybe when you see all the cameras and that many people, I said, maybe this might be a time where we actually think before we speak for a change. And my staff, our staff, it’s not mine it’s your swimming staff, but the group that I was with was incredible.

And I got a little, not uncomfortable, but I was thinking about Todd today when he was doing his speech and we always have a thirst I think for the great swimmer. We love listening to Bob talk about Phelps and everyone wants to get that magic going and then we want to hear Todd talk about Missy who is incredible and actually if there’s a swimmer that mirrors her coach, an awful lot, which is–if Todd’s here, I’m sorry for Missy, but no I’m just kidding. She has a great spirit like Todd does and she gets excited about things and she was a remarkable–just a remarkable addition to our International Squad.

I was very fortunate to be part of her first and I say, almost like her coming out party at Duel in the Pool two years ago in Manchester. She was not supposed to be on the relay and she found herself on a relay just in two sessions and actually on the 4 x 1, which we ended up with, so to her credit she found her way to make it and if I remember correctly, Todd will remember better than I because I think she was either the fastest split we had or the second fastest split we had, but I know one thing, she wasn’t the slowest split we had.

I felt really comfortable over there with that group and I just want to say thanks to them because they make an experience great for all the others too. Really important when you’re on a staff to get along. It doesn’t matter if you’re on a zone team, a high school, all star or whatever the case maybe, but you know how people get along on a staff and how you get along with your own staff means an awful lot. You have to respect each other and if you have differences, they certainly have to be talked about in a different place.

But I guess getting back to Todd, everything by the time–it was sort of a crescendo on that meet and we started off, we lost the 400 freestyle relay and I’m a firm believer and I know for a fact that we would have won that had it been at the end. Our team actually got better everyday and to our kids’ credit and our coaches’ credit, particularly the kids, they just got stronger and stronger as they went.

We had a tough travel situation. Most of you know of what happened over there. We got–we were supposed to go to Japan, but we couldn’t go to Japan. So, we ended up in Australia, which is up at Surfer’s Paradise, which I had no problem with whatsoever. That was a beautiful place. That was 14 hours there and then we stayed there for a little while and then we had the trip back up to China.

We had to wake at 3 in the morning and the kids were unbelievable about it–they really were. We had to wake up at 3 and so that day was about 12 hours or 13 hours of traveling again. So, you know and I think the coaches were more worried, but we didn’t say much but the kids were so resilient and I think that’s also maybe a reason. I’m not sure we were perfect the first day, but we sort of just got better and better and better.

But getting back to Todd real quickly as it went, there’s a lot of pressure for everyone who wanted to see what Missy would go on a 100-backstroke and the last day–the last time she had the chance to swim, we had the 400 medley relay. Well, she went 52.4 off the 400 free relay in the finals. So, that’s a person that needed to be on the end.

And Natalie without question was much more comfortable with her backstroke at that time and she’s an incredible performer that gets overlooked all the time. We’ve had some great performances at Olympics, but she stands up and just really manages a meet for–8 days is not an easy thing, mentally and physically–mostly mentally and she is incredible and she stands up all the time and she went faster on the medley relay than she did on the individual.

And I talked with Todd about it because a lot of people said, look we could finish that relay off in the first two legs because everyone was making conjecture that Missy might set a world record and this and that, but our plan was to do this and we sat down with communication within–I talked with Teri about it and talked with John about it and certainly talked with Todd, because it was his athlete and Teri are involved, but we stuck to our plan and we won that medley relay going away.

We haven’t won the medley relay internationally with our ladies I think since Sydney in 2000 and so that was a nice win to get, a really nice win to get, but he was 100% on board. She was 100% on board. Usually when the coach is, the athlete is and it’s not like–because he understood–and I’ve seen young coaches on international settings since, where they get so enveloped with their own swimmer that they really forget what else is going on.

It’s the USA team and there was no conversation. I didn’t–we just discussed it and we wanted her on the end because basically, you want a 52 on the end if it gets down to nut cracking time at the end and she was exceptional in the meet and we have a star, but we have a good star and that’s really important because we’ve seen them all and some are different.

I think Natalie brings a greatness to our team and certainly, she is almost regal in the way she approaches the sport and I think she adds a lot of class to our program and certainly–and Missy brings just a lot of fire and she came out of an event, swim the 800 free relay, I think it was the 800 free relay just 25 minutes before and Todd assured me because I was worried as Matt says I worry a lot and he said, “Don’t worry about it. She’ll knock it out.” And obviously, she did and we have a great person that’s going to help us out, not just in individual performances, but she was so good for the team.

So, anyhow I want to thank all those coaches I had with me at Worlds. It was lot of fun. We had a blast doing it and you have to have a blast because it’s a lot of time away. It’s a big commitment family wise and otherwise and so you have to have a little bit of fun. And what Todd touched on today, I think it was pretty important just having fun with your kids and sort of keeping them loose a little bit.

I was thinking about it today because I think it’s really important no matter what age they are, though they are 8 or 18 or 19 to have a little bit of fun. I have 22 freshmen this fall and that’s, I know, which means somebody is going to screw up something basically and–but we’re trying to work on it real hard to make sure it doesn’t happen, but on Saturday–this past Saturday, we had a workout and I just sort of did a little bit of everything with them, but we got them really tired and that was good. We only went about probably just about 6800 meters total and we did a little bit of dry land beforehand, so we got them a little bit tired that way and then they didn’t really know what was going on.

It’s really nice to keep them sort of–just sort of keeping them loose a little bit. And so I started putting them up one by one. It wasn’t really a “get out” swim because I don’t really believe in “get out” swims. It’s just get up and swim and then we’ll decide if that helps everybody else get out a little bit earlier or not. So, “get out” swims are sort of a misnomer in our program.

And I just ran into one of one of my ex-swimmers who probably did a few and I have got to remember to make sure that was one of my big coaching mistakes that I’ve ever made, but–so we started–and I love it when they’re freshmen because they’re scared to death no matter how good they are coming in and it’s not a bad thing to keep them like that too. It’s nice to have them on their toes, but–so, but I think it’s really important when you’re doing something like that, right away, I pick one of my best kids.

NCAA–person who was an NCAA champion last year on a relay, et cetera and make them do it, right? And generally, you sort of get punished for being good at a workout because I really don’t want to put up anybody who didn’t look good. I want to see a good swim at the end of practice. So, anyone who has the best practice is probably the one that is going to be picked.

And anyhow, I had a young lady–Todd’s swimmer actually and–Jordan and she’s a great young lady, unbelievably intelligent young lady, intelligent enough to realize she probably wasn’t going to be picked because we did all this kicking and all this dry land before and then she got out. She had one of those cramps in her calf that looked like a ball, you see her muscles sticking out and I told her to walk it off and I’ll get into that stuff in just a bit. We have too many trainers now.

So I just, “Don’t go into the training room, just walk around.” Because if she goes in the training room, she would have been–we probably would have taken her to the hospital and then she would have an IV and then I would have to call her mom and dad. And so anyhow, we tried to keep it a little bit simple and I said, “Walk around and drink some water.” So, anyhow–and they can always find water. They travel and they can’t change lanes without water. It’s the most hydrated generation in the history of mankind.

And so at any rate, she came back and then we’re doing some “get out” swims and then one person went and did a great job. They made their time. Next, they made their time. We had some three great swims then I said–and then she looked at me and she’s like smiling like I know I’m off the hook. And I said, “Jordan, you’re next.” So, she got up and she didn’t make it. But she–the word was, it doesn’t really matter if you’re not feeling good there or not and–but we had a good time off it, but I think it’s a good way for them to earn their way out all the time.

I just want to talk about coaching a little bit. I think Eddie and I were talking about it the other day and we see it a little bit on at the very highest level, on national teams and I see it when kids come in, in college. And I tried valiantly not to have it happen at all. They want to do less instead or more and Bob has a great way of explaining [Indiscernible] [0:25:09] about this cup. You want to be drawn out of the cup this big rather than the cup this big.

And we had a young lady this summer that had a great summer and the reason she did was because I added more to her cup rather than took away. She was really good in the 50 and really good in 100 when she came. I asked her to be really good in the 200 this year. And she did a great job. She actually swam unbelievably well at World Youth even after she had a great meet at Nationals and she was arguably–she got covered up a little bit by a couple of our young ladies at NCAA that were probably a little bit more known and talked about, but she was as important to us as anybody and she did couple of doubles within that NCAA, particularly on the second day and 100 backstroke and a relay and a 200 free and really performed great.

But I think you always have to, you have to be careful. I see it on National Teams where they get to a certain age and all of a sudden they think–let’s just–I just need to be good in this–one thing. And I really think that hurts them so much and because number one, I think training like that becomes a little bit more boring, all right? And secondly, you put all your eggs in that one basket and I think it’s difficult and also by human nature, if you’re allowed, you try to take the easiest route rather than the hardest route and I think that’s where improvement stops.

So, I just ran into a young lady out here and this is one of my–I know this is stupid as heck, but she swam for Peter Banks and Peter is a great, great coach. We were lucky enough to have Maritza Correia come to Georgia and Ritz was pretty good. I mean, I think she was 49 high maybe and maybe even just 50 flat. Peter will remember, but she was–but he gave her such a base to work on and she pretty much could do anything.

A very unusual swimmer at the conference level, she won the 50, 100 to 200 to 500 and the mile at SEC Championships. I think one of the great feats in collegiate swimming, but–and they all weren’t messing around times 4:41 back then was pretty good, 16:08 and then she swam for two years. I tried this with a couple of fast swimmers. Maritza was one of them. Sheila Taormina, who you probably may know, I mean she’s been in four Olympic games, a pretty tough cookie.

I tried this twice and finally stopped it and I tried to the sprint relay, the 200 and then the 500 free after with an athlete or the 200 medley with a relay and then the 400 IM. I did that with Sheila and I almost killed her. And then I did it with Maritza and she could never do it either. So, and Ritz had, as I said a great base and she trained great with us so, all the time and thought–I thought I was able to it. So, it failed the first time, so I thought she sure as hell can do it the second time and so we failed twice.

So, actually she came to me and asked me to swim the 50 the next year. This is her junior year and I finally let her swim the 50. It happened at SEC Championships and she reminded me actually, I only relented when we made some deals. She said, “Not only did you not want me to do it, she said, you didn’t. I had to make a deal with you if I went this fast, I could swim it again. So I said, all right and I don’t know what deal I made, I think, but anyhow, she went 22.2 or 1 at the conference and then she set the American record at the NCAA championships, so, I’d look like an absolute jackass.

So anyhow, she went 21.6 in a short suit and pretty fast time so I think that’s going to be my 50 girl. I was a pretty smart guy. So, anyhow she was able to swim the 50 again her senior year. I let her swim that, but I think that served her well without going that route with it rather than the other way and she ended up making the Olympic team in 2004. In many ways, she was actually more ready in 2000 mentally and physically maybe she’s a little bit better, certainly mentally in 2004, and I’m unbelievably proud of her, obviously.

But she would complain a little bit, but she didn’t–she always did it in a good way and–but I just, I think the lesson there is maybe, and this is the way I look at things is to make sure they’re doing a little bit more and it’s not just yours. It just doing smart stuff, but not–they should be able to do a lot of good things if they’re a pretty good athlete and not just one.

And so we demand our kids to pretty much to do a lot of things and make sure they’re trying to help a team and you can utilize the team, the good way to trick them is to make sure they’re helping the team in a different way, too and their careers will change I think and become a little bit better.

I knew I’d get the Phillies in here somehow, but I just want to talk about baseball a little bit. I have probably 400 books on baseball and sadly, I know a lot about each one and–but it’s the sport I love because it reminds me a little bit about swimming, of swimming because there’s a grind to it and there’s a wonderful thing too. It’s a 162-game schedule–it was a 154, but that changed. That was about–it was a big controversy when Maris had his 61 homers because he had a 162 games and Babe Ruth had 154. But anyhow, it’s a grind.

And Earl Weaver, great, great manager for Baltimore. He was the first guy I ever heard this from. This is the phrase you hear so often, it makes you throw up, but he said after 162 games, it is what it is and it’s a great thing. Everything evens out, but baseball, if nothing else, showed me.

A couple of years ago, Robin Roberts who was a great Hall of Fame pitcher for the Philadelphia Phillies, his son lives in Athens, Georgia, and he and I have become really close friends just because of our love and craziness for the Phillies and obviously and unbelievable–it’s just an unbelievably small world. Robin actually coached briefly after he finished his career at Germantown where Dick Shoulberg is, and his sons went to GA.

So, it’s a small world but anyhow I spent an afternoon with Robin about 4 years ago on a Sunday and people came see to him. His son asked me to come over and we sat down and then people come in. All they did was come in and ask him to sign stuff. Next thing I know, I think we sat together by ourselves and back at the restaurant for about 5 hours and I just listened to him and this is when I had newfound respect for him, but I always had–because my mom loved him. He was a very classy player, very handsome player and my mom just adored him and he was a hero in our house so I heard about him growing up right after I was born.

But anyhow, we–after that we struck up a friendship and then ended up–we wrote back, letters back and forth for three years up until his–he passed away and I went down with his family and they had me there. I’m just fortunate enough just to be part of that whole celebration of a great life.

But the neat thing was he loved–he just wanted to hear about swimming and he respected every athlete and then when I told him the kind of things we do for training and all that and I asked him about some stuff and–but really if we do one thing in this life, we got to make sure we have expectations for our athletes. And if you don’t expect great things out of them, they will not do great things.

And I think it’s sort of seeped into our sport where–specifically sort of like what I was just talking about before when they get so specific into one little event and that I just want to do that, not anything else and–but also, it’s about expectations everyday. You have to change your expectations everyday for a workout and after they do a great job, they have–you have to change your expectations for what they want to do the next year and so, it’s an ongoing deal. And you have to sit down and it has to be very clear in that athlete’s mind that they’re expected and you expect them and you will also feel and believe that they can do better.

But he–this really–this really is an amazing thing. Think about what’s going on in sport right now. They yank these guys right now and after they play–after they throw about 100 pitches in baseball and these guys–I mean, they have everything available too. The weightlifting, they have performance enhancing drugs. They have everything and so–and that’s a point, that’s a whole another argument for another time what that’s done to some of the sports.

But any rate, I talked to Robin and when he came back to Athens we sat every time and I asked him about 1950 because I knew everything he had done. I was very fortunate to grow up next to a major league baseball star for the Cincinnati Reds, Bucky Walters. So, I learned about baseball at six years old. The first guy who threw me a baseball was an MVP in the National League in 1939, unbelievable story. And I learned a little bit about humility at a very young age; even when I was 12 or 14 I realized he never told me one thing that he did well. It was an amazing thing.

He just told me every story, everything that happened when he screwed up and when he went to Wrigley field, how no one wanted to pitch at Wrigley field because the ball was flying. And probably the neatest baseball story I ever heard, he told me. He said he was pitching Cincinnati, and his father drove all the way out from Philadelphia to watch him. He was–he won 27 games that year and when they lost to the Yankees four straight in 1939 and 1940, he and his buddy won 29 games again and they beat Detroit and they finally won the World Series.

But he played–he was the starting pitcher, Cincinnati playing a double header. Actually, he pitched the first night game too and his father drove all the way out to see him. His father was late getting there for the game and parents, we love when parents come to watch and are very supportive. He was out of the game in two and one half innings. He gave up something like 7 or 8 runs, so his father missed him pitching. So, his father figured, what the heck. I mean I’ll stick around for the next game.

Anyhow, even though Bucky is not playing and Bucky was–just sort of staying there and basically they were behind by I think 7 or 8 or 9 runs, something unbelievable. You just didn’t think when anything would happen. Well, his father left the game and then they tied the game up later and the only guy that they had left and they were out of relief pitchers, they didn’t have many then, so, they put Bucky back in and he came in and he lost that game too. [Laughter]

So, his father drove from Philadelphia and he went 0 and 2 and his father never saw him pitch in the same day. But what I learned from Robin was this, about expectations. He–in 1950, he had 32 complete games. That’s 9 endings, probably more in sum. He probably pitched all the way. Actually, he pitched one, he gave up one run one time in a 14-inning game and 32.

We have guys–our best guys right now, we’re going nuts if maybe if they have 9 or 10 for the entire year and so it is about expectations. And I think that’s what was expected was those guys to be able to pitch. He pitched three out of the last five days of the season and for the Phillies to clinch the pennant against the Dodgers and have it’s field against Don Newcombe who was a great player at that time. He won the game 4 to 1 and he hit the home run. That was his third game pitching in five days.

How the hell can he do that? I mean it’s inconceivable now. They would never ask anybody to do it. They wouldn’t ask anybody to do two games in five days. And so the bottom line somewhere or another, that was just about expectation and also about tough people and then the more you expect, the tougher they get. And they were absolutely tough as heck.

And we know about icing, we know about and then we have, you all know–I mean we have these ice machines now, Game Readies which are good, because I had my knee replaced and I love this thing and I am playing tennis already. But I ice myself in this little thing and icing, icing, icing, icing.

And I asked Robin, I said, “What was the key to all these?” He said, well, I asked Satchel Paige how he could pitch so long, because Satchel, some people think he’d pitch until he was 60 and he said, “Robbie, I just put my arm in hot water after every game.” So, he probably did everything you weren’t supposed to do, but people were just tough and I think that’s what we have to expect out of our athletes all the time. And the more you expect the better.

One other thing, I just want to– Matt made me feel great today and I appreciate your introduction a lot and because we don’t get the chance to talk much. When we get to a meet, it’s everything, it’s hipped up and brings to me to another point real quickly.

Allison Schmitt, who swims for us at Georgia, Bob coaches her obviously, and she is an amazing young lady and there’s a way to where I was talking about Missy, the way she approaches the sport and Schmitt is the same way. At NCAA championships on the first day, everyone is more than a little bit nervous, all right? It is a tight bunch and you try to basically, you get to conversations just to make yourself feel better. Just to so maybe you don’t think about what’s getting ready to happen here because we start off with the 200 free relay and it’s so stupid, but it’s almost how that relay goes. It almost sets up your rest of the day. And it just–so you know everything is going to be sort of depending on about a minute and 28 seconds and who gets a good start.

But I went up to Schmitt who was just sitting there. I thought she was just laughing. She was by herself. All our other young ladies were getting dressed at that time and I said, “Schmitt, what’s up?” and she goes, “I’m just so happy this meet’s getting ready to start. I can’t be any happier.” That’s exactly what she said and I thought and I remember I walked over to Harvey, my assistant, I said and he goes, “What’s up with Schmitt?” and I said, “I don’t know about it. I think everything is all right. I think we’re going to be fine today.”

And if you have someone like that, it just changes the whole program and she’s a great kid to have and thankfully, she is also a great swimmer but she’s also, better yet, a great kid.

And the best thing I heard from Matt today was all this stuff that we’ve done as a team is basically done because I’ve been there an awful long time and I was very lucky to be hired, to be honest with you, by Coach Dooley for $8,000 and it was my first year in 1979 as head coach and because no one else really was around and actually no else would actually take it for $8,000 and I was pretty darn excited.

But when Matt said something about my kids being certainly gracious whether they win or whether they lose, it’s a pretty big deal to me. And Todd said something pretty neat this morning and it’s sort of funny. I didn’t think about it until he talked about it, but I do it all the time thankfully. I always watch my athletes after they finish, always. And you find so much about them when they finish a race whether it goes well, whether it goes not so well.

And you need to look at them because sometimes you’re going to have to learn when some kid acts like a jerk and it needs to be addressed immediately and we’ve all had them, but also, you just love–I like watching it on football.

This is why I can’t stand the fact that when people rush a field or a basketball court, it drives me crazy. That time after a game i the athletes’ time and that’s the coaches time together. They have no right being near there. I don’t care. I don’t care if it’s the first National Championship in 150 years. They should stay off.

And I just love watching that time where you can learn a little bit about those football coaches, how they think about each other, basketball coaches the same, but it’s a really neat thing to watch and you learn an awful lot and also it’s a great teaching part because if you watch your athletes.

But it’s the best thing you can hear about your athletes and say they race hard and they compete and we’re real proud of that. I mean, I think if you’re going to have one thing you want your kids to be tougher more than talented and you also want them to have more manners than they do money and if those things are in place, I think you’ve got some good kids and you’ve got good people.

So, that’s our swimming talk for today. It’s short like I promised you. So, everyone–and we can get going but I just wanted to see–we’ll just spend a couple of minutes. Does anybody have any questions at all? It was probably–it wasn’t a talk that was question oriented. I’m going to do one later that is. Marty? And I will say, Marty if I can say, he is a fixture at our NCAA championship meets and we always feel great seeing you there and I’m not trying to get a call. Oh yeah, what’s up?

Male Speaker 1: Who was your coach that worked with [indiscernible] [0:42:28]?

Jack Bauerle: Schmitt works out. This is sort of a neat thing and I was going to talk about it later in that other talk, but we had a lot of change over where people work. Wendy–Harvey works with the distance swimmers mostly all the time, but our distance swimmers do not swim distance all the time.

I think we could drive them on a slow boat to China that way if we did that so, there’s–we have practices where we mix and mingle, big time. So, anyhow we’ll go grab a lunch. I can’t thank you enough. It’s a privilege to be in front of you. Thanks.

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