Georgia Program by Jack Bauerle (2011)


Tim: Well, good afternoon. I’m not sure my regular voice will carry all the way to the back. I’m here with the pleasure of introducing our speaker, Jack Bauerle. Jack is currently the head coach of the University of Georgia, as you know, and also currently the head coach of the Athens Bulldogs.

When I look at those two locations, I am struck by how well those names approximate, summarize, introduce us to Jack Bauerle. From Georgia, he has the friendliness, the charm, the hospitality that we associate with the American South. From the Bulldogs, he has the toughness, the strength, the endurance, the relentlessness that we associate with the Bulldogs. And when you look at Jack, you see his smiling face—his Georgia heritage. You see an energetic, strong, tough looking person—his Bulldog heritage. And when you swim for Jack, you know this is a man who pitches, punts, camps, plays basketball at noon, you know it’s going to be tough and you know it’s going to be challenging and it is every day.

For 30 years, he’s been a part of swimming in Georgia. For 20 years, he’s been a part of our international teams. He has been an Olympic coach. He has been our Olympic head coach. As we mentioned last night, he was the first one of his generation to have the Olympic head coach torch passed to him back in 2008.

At home, as a good Southern boy, he takes care of things at home. His men’s team, his women’s team, his alumni, his community service, his team’s academic performance, his financial fund raising—everything about the home is very well, very well done. So, without any further introduction, please welcome coach Jack Bauerle.

Jack Bauerle: Okay. How’s that sound? Okay. Should I make it a little higher? Okay. I can just put that in my pocket, right? So, good afternoon. Tim, thanks—wherever you are, wherever you went. I appreciate. That’s really nice of you and I’m not sure I’m as tenacious as the Bulldog. You know they can’t breathe well. That’s why they’re so mad all the time. The guy who owns our Bulldog is a Georgia Alum. I shouldn’t be talking. This is supposed to be a college talk. I know, Steve. This is not recruiting.

So I brought my notes so I’ll actually talk about something besides baseball. I was sort of lambasted by Eddie when I got back to the room. He said this is not about the Phillies. This is about swimming. But this morning, I was trying to talk about a couple of things that I think were pretty important and it’s just the importance of work, the importance of expectations, the importance of some people that have already done some things, making sure they’re doing a little bit better.

But at any rate, this one’s a college talk, so to speak. It’s not a recruiting talk because I think we just have to be reminded about some things and hopefully, when we’re talking here, this is going to be some general things that have everything to do with just swimming.

The coaching part has sort of taken on a different hat now from what it used to be. We’re not on an island and you know, we used to sometimes, when you’re on the club side of it or in the college side, you always think maybe the grass is a little bit greener on the other side, maybe a little bluer if you’re from Boise state but at any rate, we had a rough opening game against Boise State and I’m still a little mad and the Bulldog nation is really upset.

Anyhow, what’s happening, in college swimming is a little bit of a challenge and what Tim alluded to, actually, is something that thankfully, I enjoy. You have one job, first of all—to take care of your athletes, their development, their swimming. We’re here for their dreams and not to sound sappy about it or anything else like that because it’s hardly a sappy sport when you put them in the water and you demand an awful lot.

So, the only thing we try to demand from them is, certainly, their best in the classroom and in the pool. We certainly demand their best every day. I think if there’s a separator with our best kids and not so best kids are the ones who really don’t allow themselves to have a bad day.

Elite athletes seem to find a way to make something work every day no matter how they feel. They might have a rough day but they maybe do a good kick set, a good pool set. Then sometimes, it’s up to us, as a coach, to make sure you find something that your kids can hang their hat on before they leave. It’s a confidence builder.

I think the biggest thing we do for them four years in—from freshman, sophomore, junior, senior year—you want to leave them as a confident young kid and young person, young adult, actually. Ironically, I just walked into a woman here whose daughter swam for me for four years and she was a scholarship athlete but she wasn’t—since her mom’s not here, I can say I guess—she wasn’t that great coming in. Well, she knows it. She was saying right now how her daughter wishes she could give it one more time around because she finally got it, really got it, understood at her senior year.

Unfortunately, on the 200 free relay, she put her hand on the wall and broke her hand down at your pool, Steve. You have it sabotaged for us. So, we got second in the country that year. We swam really well, went down to the last day, the whole shooting match. But I was really proud of the team.

We’ve been second before that it makes you want to vomit, still. Then sometimes, you’re second like we were last year. We set a couple of American records on relays and we can live with that. We swam well.

But this young lady came in, in all this and probably did not feel like she was ready for this yet. The very first meet that she swam in of gigantic significance was the NCAA championships at our pool and she was on the last relay and if we win the relay, we win the NCAA championships.

Had she been of the mindset and I certainly noticed that her—I told her mom. When she walked in as a freshman, I said, “First thing she thought when she walked on a deck the first week was, “I don’t belong here.”” We had a four-year job after that, basically, to help her out. That’s our job and she finally, unbelievably—when she got to be a senior, she finally got it and that happened to her and she had to go get screws in her hand and everything. She actually finished the meet, which is pretty tough. She didn’t feel like putting her hand on the wall too hard when it was broken.

But all things worked out for the best if you’re tough and she was pretty tough. Right now, she’s unbelievably successful in just two years of work up in Manhattan. So, she probably has a little bit of a bug, a little bit of an edge in her just because in her mind she had unfinished business and her mom said exactly that, which we [Indiscernible] [0:07:41.6].

So, this sport, no matter what we do, if we stay on them and expect the light, it really does them well. I’m not sure. There are a couple of things I want to talk about but the big thing is this is for all head coaches now. It’s a real different hat in college athletics. Some of it is great and some of it is an absolute pain in the rump and I’ll just give you the one that’s the pain in the rump and get that out of the way.

Compliance. All right. My fear is—this is my 33rd year as head coach. Part of what brought me to swimming, to be honest with you, was I was an independent bugger when I was growing up. I always wanted to do what I wanted. I loved where I grew up in Philadelphia. I was in the suburb of Philadelphia, great little town, sports all over the place, but I knew I wanted to see something else and I went to Georgia.

In ’70, Georgia was a little different than it is now, but the people were great and that’s all I cared about. To be honest with you, I didn’t really care about school and studies. I wanted to be around people I wanted to be with and the rest of it took its course. So, I just fell in love with the place, fell in love with the people and I went down there.

But right now, we have a situation in compliance. It’s unbelievable. All right. Probably, Steve, you’ve been around for a while—if you don’t mind me saying it. What draws a lot of people in coaching is there’s an independent aspect of it and certainly, it was like that in college swimming when I first started.

People in the athletic department didn’t know where you were. They knew you went on a trip. You didn’t have sign a waiver for a recruiting trip. No one had to know where you were. You just went in and got some money and left and came back and put in an expense report.

Last night, I went home. I was nuts. I was trying to make phone calls because of the sins of many, particularly in football and basketball. We are overburdened with rules now. It just makes me mad as hell.

I went into a compliance meeting last week and I left here. I’m like a five-year-old. If you don’t come to the compliance meeting, we will hold your bonuses if you go top four, top 10, or whatever. You won’t get your bonus. You have to make every compliance meeting.

Compliance meetings are like sheer idiocy. So, it’s basically common sense stuff and we’re getting told about football messing up, basketball messing up, some football coach maybe, this last year, messing up—where you know, pretty good school, pretty big school up North, great football state, next to Pennsylvania.


Actually that was one of my last recruiting trips, too, but compliance is just overwhelming right now. Getting back to that part of it, I’m only a swimming coach. I’m not a football coach. I am very close friends with our football coach and the last three football coaches for that—good guys, all of them. When this thing happened at OSU, first of all, I thought it was—do we have any NCAA representatives here? [Laughter]. I thought it was just handled, unbelievably, bad.

What transpired last year was the NCAA’s fault, and those guys shouldn’t have been playing in the ball game, end of story. None of us that have athletes or children will discipline something for something wrong next year, right? It probably won’t happen by next year. You’ll [Indiscernible] [0:11:17.9] to get it yet but it just didn’t happen.

When they came out and said, “We didn’t know who to call,” that’s when all bets are off with me. I said, “That’s okay,” and then, I don’t believe a word anybody says. That was an absolute joke. We are drilled at a college. There’s one call you make if you screw up and it’s little screw ups and I’m guilty as charged. We’ve accidentally called a kid twice in a week, gotten right off but you know, you write it down and you call yourself. You call compliance. After compliance, you call your athletic director or the athletic director in charge. You don’t call a lawyer and see how we can, maybe, figure this out, all right?

But basically, in compliance, right now, before I left for this thing, I’m just anxious to go. You want to go and this and that and then, you don’t have to fill out forms on a computer and all this stuff about getting your money to go, where you’re gone, this and this, la-la-la-di-dah.

And then, last night, we now have a new system on calling an athlete. It’s called—is anyone doing this? ACS. Are you doing it? It stinks. So what happens is you have to punch in eight times maybe, at least. I can’t stand it. You got your own phone and if I’m going to call an athlete all of a sudden and say I’m in the car and you want to call somebody and you’re thinking about them a little bit which is a neat time. I think some of the calls should be spontaneous. You know what I’m saying? You know I don’t feel like calling so-and-so.

Now, you got to go like this. You got to pull some stuff up. You got names, this, this and that. Do you call, not call? Has she been called? Everything comes up so we can’t get duplicate calls. Well, that’s because the jackasses here that were coaching basketball called kids 100 times in one week and we’re sitting there paying for their sins.

So, right now, you got to go through all that for us just to—I do anyhow, just to make one phone call. Actually, I’m going back to my AD when I get home and see if I can get out of this because it’s really driving me slowly crazy.

So, anyhow, you wear the compliance hat and all that and it is important. I understand that and they are worried about small things in swimming programs and they don’t want anything to happen because of football and basketball because they’ve already committed their sins and they don’t want to be dealing with us. That’s obvious.

But we also have a job to do and Peter [Daland] [0:13:49.3] was real good. Yesterday, we were in a board meeting and he was talking about how much we bring as a team to a school, an athletic department, as far as academics. I’m very proud of that. We had an NCAA champion last year on the guys’ side, Mark Dylla, who’s an NCAA postgraduate scholarship winner. Chelsea Nauta won one and she’s one of the best young ladies I ever had and they were two of the best swimmers we had.

Maybe, our best swimmer right now has won three straight NCAA titles, 15:42 in the mile, Wendy Trott, who’s a 1560 SAT kid. She can read and write. We have a young lady right now, one of, maybe, our best recruit coming in who had a perfect ACT, but we’ve been real fortunate. We have 28 NCAA postgraduate scholarship winners and that’s part of what we do with our college students.

You want those kids to have some sort of goals and as I say, when you go to school, don’t do it as I did. I just sort of survived and got through and ended up as an English major and the only reason that would happen because I could read and I loved reading. That was a perfect thing for me and it got me through school and it was a great experience. Quite frankly, I would not have gotten through school without two of my teachers. They were my biggest mentors, not my coaches.

But you have that part of it. You want them to excel in academics. We have gigantic competitions within the school, within the team which helps. Big trophy, march them out on the field for football, if they win and we lost to cross country men this year. They had like six guys and I guess they’re all pretty smart because they had about a 3.4 GPA which is really good for a college team.

Last year, we won it and our guys were 3.2 GPA, which is very good for a major swim team, I mean, the team is really knocking it out. The ladies were about a three, 3.4 but they got beaten out on the last semester. That part is big. You got to make sure you’re taking care of that and then, the other part of it is this.

Endowments have become real big. Bob [Groseth] [0:15:51.1] who’s now head of the CSCAA. Basically, we’re going to exist now on us helping ourselves. We’re doing a big weekend for us. It’s going to raise anywhere from about 60 to 75 grand. I work real hard. There’s not a day that goes by that I don’t make a phone call concerning somebody helping us with money. All right?

Our goal is to make sure we endow as many scholarships as we possibly can. The real goal is to have them all endowed in about six or seven years time, actually, seven years time. So, we’re doing some fund raisers right now. We’re making a whole weekend for our alumni to come back and give. I mean, it’s going to be quite obvious. We want money.

We need to do this because athletic department within your programs is actually the scholarships, as you probably know. For me, I want to fight real hard for the men’s. I think the women’s situation is probably intact a little bit, but what has transpired across the country, we lost a few men’s teams here and there. I don’t mean to downplay that because there’re people that are involved in it here and there. That’s them and that’s a lot of kids’ lives that are impacted and families and everything else and a lot of dreams—more importantly.

So, you have to raise a lot of money. Basically, you have to make your program important to the community. I do two radio spots a week. I do stuff for the hospital for charity. You’ve just got to put yourself out there and do a lot of community work and also, expect the same thing out of your athletes.

If you do that, I think a lot of stuff comes back to you and then, you got to coach them. First thing as I said, the most important thing is coaching your kids and coaching them well. That comes with a lot of good help and assistant coaches and I wouldn’t been able to do without the group that I have.

One thing I want to talk about—I mentioned a little bit this morning. I think it’s really important for swimmers, when they come in—even in college situations—to sort of spread their wings a little bit and make sure they’re doing something besides what they do extremely well.

I can make up stories about guys. Mark Dylla was a good swimmer that we had and I expected him to swim an IM. He’s the worst breaststroker imaginable, all right? But he knew how to get through an IM and help assist a team. We had a young lady who I said, just grew up into a 200 and actually went 1:57 plus off a relay this summer so she’s really starting to learn how to swim. All of a sudden, she thinks that 200 is a big deal.

But that said, they have to be challenged in that way. Some college coaches get chastised a little bit and rightfully so. I think some of them walk off the deck after NCAA and don’t come back. Personally, it’s inexcusable. You got to remember. They also have a tough situation. We do, too.

Fortunately, I have enough kids that volunteer. Okay? To be there all the time and I really—you can’t ask them, “Do you have mandatory practices in the spring? Otherwise, you’re in trouble.” Plain and simple.

We’re very fortunate that our program is at a place where the expectation in the spring is the same as it is in January. So they come and they swim. If they’re going to have aspirations, for summertime, for their career, they better be there.

If I could think about it, if I could go back when we were trying to build our program, it would have been really hard because I didn’t have everybody. Not everyone that was on our team, at that time, was fully dedicated. We maybe, had five, six real hot shots and then, some that sort of wanted to be and then, some wanted to be without doing the rest.

So before we crucify some of our coaches out there, the college ones—you know the club coach just go, “Hey, they come back and they’re not in shape.” Well, it’s a problem. It sort of comes down to the kids first. But they have to be led and it’s a process. You want to get more of those than the other. If you do that, you’re going to end up with a team that’s committed and then, that becomes a little bit more fun and you’re ready to go.

The summertime, I think, is just gigantic. It’s the time that I love coaching the most because we don’t have any rules and you can train as long as you want to. The kids are a little less screwed up in the summer, I think it was school and some of them—you want them to be in the school but some of them carry it, too. The ones that want to do well bring it in.

You know my favorite workout all the time is I love morning practices. It’s my favorite practice. There’s an old line in the song of Bob Dylan, I think, “Too many thoughts get in the way today.” I don’t think he had swimming in mind but I think he had some girl in mind.

But anyhow, in the morning, they’re not really messed up yet and I think it’s a good time. I honestly think it’s a great time to get some good work out of them. I think it’s not a cruise time in our program. The Monday morning sort of is but you expect them to do a pretty darn good job and Friday morning, sort of general, but the pressure there is always to do something well. Wednesday morning and Tuesday morning are big time practices is for us. I think you have to expect a lot of them every time they’re in.

I also want to mention something about this. I think it’s great to go outside of yourselves with your own athletes and make sure they’re taken care of. We had a little example of a young lady sitting here today and then, I also have some examples. I’ve sent some of my swimmers and I wish I could do this more during college season but I can’t. I do it during the summer a little bit but I’ve sent a couple of swimmers off in the summer just for a week or two, last summer, with Bob Bowman and what he does is somewhat similar.

You know no one is the same. You can give the same practices and same general make up and season plan and daily plan. I think, like Steve, some of our stuff’s pretty similar but I’m sure there’s different stuff, too.

It’s good for them to get out of that comfort zone sometimes and those kids have had great summers because of it. As a coach, you can’t be fearful of sending them somewhere. They’re going to like that coach or this coach. This is about making them a little bit better.

I had a young lady. Mattie’s right here. I’ll just talk about her really quickly because she’s coaching now. She just shook my memory on it today. It was a real neat situation. She came down from the school and she just asked if she could come in and train for a summer. Probably, after two weeks, if you would ask her, she would have gotten on a plane and gone home. I almost killed her that summer.

She was a very, very good swimmer from a darn good base. But when she walked in that summer, she was with a bunch of kids that were pretty good and she was getting eaten up on a day-to-day basis. Right, Mat? Am I making stuff up?

Mattie: I was tired.

Jack: You were tired. She was actually tired after Nationals and she was tired after the two-week break before she started her senior year. She’s finally rested now. So what happened was I think it was a 1:49 plus and this is going into her senior year. So, she had the guts. The credit goes to that. We just worked her out. All right?

The credit goes to a young lady that sort of had the idea that she wanted to be challenged herself and be with some real good kids and that would probably inspire her to swim a little bit faster. She came in and she was 1:49 plus and then in her senior year, she scored in the 100, never made NCAA championships before, never qualified. Then she scored in the 100 and the 200, 145.3 and the 200-free style of four seconds in her senior year, which you dropped in the 100. You went 49 low, right?

Mattie: Right, [Indiscernible] [0:24:00.4]

Jack: Yes, she hadn’t broken 50 so you scored 11 and 13th in NCAAs and all of a sudden, a whole different career. It’s sort of a nice little lesson there. Maybe, you don’t have to share that. Maybe, you don’t have to share a swimmer but maybe, you certainly share your thoughts.

I love talking about swimming and I have guys that we have talked to and I didn’t like to encourage you to do that. It’s so important because sometimes, you feel like you’re a little bit on an island. It’s nice to go back and forth and get some ideas.

I asked my staff, if they were listening, what would they like me to talk about and I told them think of something that you think is true that really isn’t true, like a myth-buster basically. Anyhow, I asked each one of them and one of them didn’t offer anything. This is his last year. I wish him the best. He was busy with a few other things, family mostly.

So anyhow, I had them written down and one of them—I’m not even sure how I’m going to address. I might not bother. It’s from my female coach, Carol. I said, “You know, Carol, I don’t really want this to be my last talk,” but anyhow, we were talking about breaststroke.

Actually, this is mine, this myth. You know a lot of the myths are broken just because of accidents. I had a young guy that—we don’t have anybody from the Federation of South Africa here, I hope, but anyhow. He was swimming for South Africa. He actually took off his… He sat out one year because he wanted to make his Olympic team. I let him and because I just felt that was the most important thing to him in that time. His promise to me, after that, was, “I’ll win NCAA championships for you the next year,” and he’s the nicest guy I’ve ever coached, actually. I always tell our ladies on the team. They get so mad because I said I don’t know what he is but he dates outside the team.” Thank God.

So he goes, I would say, “You know he’s perfect. What’s the matter with you guys?” He’s handsome. He’s amiable. He’s tough and he’s never walked out of a practice at Georgia without saying thank you to every coach on the deck, whether they coach him directly or not.

His senior year, that year when he was trying to make the Olympic team, he had something wrong with his knee. He definitely had a tear somewhere, probably a meniscus tear. We all coach swimmers who think when they get a little bit of a hurt, they’re actually really hurt. What we get now—I think when I grew up, a lot of swimmers played a lot of sports and so, you’re used to getting nicked and banged around a little bit.

Now, swimmers—a lot of them are just swimmers and if they feel something a little bit different, they think they’ve died. So, here, we have spent more money at Georgia on MRIs—you know these are expensive things. So anyhow, we took them—I said, “Look. Here’s the deal. We don’t have time to get cut on him because he had already made his Olympic team,” but we had to do something. He was able to kick just a little bit, but not a lot.

I always thought, “Here’s my myth.” I thought breaststroke was leg-driven completely. I really did because I had—and Steve was there at the time—we had a couple of great breaststrokers, one of his own in club who came actually [Indiscernible] [0:27:27.6]. Kristy Kowal could do ten-100 kicks on the 120 short course and hold 1:13, 1:14 and that’s pretty good kicking. When we did that, she did 20 of them before that on a little easier interval.

So I always thought it was completely leg-driven. I don’t say you have to forget the legs so all I could do with him was pull. We couldn’t tell his Federation because [Indiscernible] [0:27:54.3] have it sometimes and basically, they probably would have kept him out of the Olympic Games and this is this guy’s dream.

So I said, “Look, we’re gonna figure this out and you’re gonna go fast, come hell or high water.” So, we pulled and he was pulling at the time 38s. This is with no paddles, tube, strap and pull buoy. So we honestly got pulling. He could pull 38s, 39s.

By the time we finished, he was pulling 33s and 34s so it was just almost at his 200 type pace. What happened was he got so strong up top, he didn’t have to use his legs as much and he could use the legs on the last because he used to die like a stuck pig on the end. Anyhow, everything worked out perfectly. He ended up 9th at the Olympic Games. He almost finaled.

Then he came back the next year. Actually, what we did do, to be perfectly honest, I took him in and they scoped him and we didn’t say anything about it to anybody here. So all I say was. “Look. Just clean him up a little bit. Operations are operations. You can get a scope now and you can actually be running or walking. As you know, in football, probably, you can play the next week if they let you.

So, everything worked out and then, the next year, he came back and set the US Open record, which stands right now 1:51.2 in the 200-breaststroke but the myth that I think was wrong was this. I always wanted to kick, kick, kick and I think pull, pull, pull is the way to go. They’re all a little different but his kick always went the heck on the last 50 so he was obviously not strong enough up top but I’m just saying I think that’s a good thing to do.

One of my other coaches, Harvey, says the old myth that we have in breaststroke, excuse me, IMs, the most important stroke is breaststroke. I don’t think that at all either, but I think all of them are. That’s pretty easy to cover but I actually think, fly, is and I have sort of a different feel about it before now than I used to.

Our IMs have gotten so much better since, I just know, since we’re working more fly, 400s and 200s. Easy speed is the key and then again, it’s in your backstroke. The 200-yard IM, the short course IM is just a sprint. It’s just an all out sprint and you have to be out fast but you’ve still got to be coming back on it on the last 50.

So basically, we try to teach that fly to get out fast so we just do more fly. It doesn’t have to be hard fly. 400 IMs have changed considerably. We had 2 gals go 4:05 and 4:06. These are not the best kids and sometimes, it’s not a bad thing. Here and about, just kids that have gotten better rather than the ones that are the superstars.

Then, we had a young boy, Billy Cregar, who ended up winning the NCAA in the 400 IM. He didn’t score that event in his freshman and sophomore year at NCAA. Conner got real sick, the young guy from Florida, who would have been at odds, he would have won it probably but I will say this. Billy was there waiting and we all tell our kids, “You never know what’s gonna happen but you better be ready if something happens,” and he was ready. The opportunity was there so he won it. He’s an NCAA champion.

Certainly, if they swam it ten times, Conner would have won probably nine out of 10 or nine and a half out of 10. But Billy—his big deal was he couldn’t get out fast so we just did fly pull. Every 400 IM practice, which is every Tuesday morning, we did fly pull. It might be just 20 x 50s and it’s on the 55, which is easy. It strengthens him and it gives him just fly straight and a little bit of fly endurance and then, we sort of incorporate a little bit of fly in every 400 IM practice. We did a set with fly all the time and his fly just got better. He went out pretty much the same as he did in sophomore and junior year. He just felt a hell of a lot better on the back part because it was easy. So, that was like our other myth.

Here’s another myth. This is one’s that going to get me fired. So if this is being recorded, this is a good time to turn it off. This is from my woman’s coach. She said there is a myth about good sized, young ladies that can swim fast. Maybe they carry a little bit too much weight. Maybe, they’re just strong. They’re just big, young ladies that can swim fast and I really feel this is a hard place. If something offends you here, I’m trying not to but I really feel like that’s wrong. It’s always strains the body weight all the time.

We’ve had some real success with international swimmers that have been—not Natalie Coughlin, all right? Because Natalie is, I think, the perfect swimming body and I’m so happy now with the suits because being back to normal or whether it stays or not, God only knows. These are things beyond our control, with FINA who should be crucified for what they’ve done with this. Because it’s not about money, it’s about swimming, right?

Natalie and Michael, for example—they wore their suit. They didn’t get a big boost out of that. That changed swimming for an awful lot of other kids and I think it was a horrible thing for the sport because all of a sudden, the kids that weren’t as fit didn’t have to be as fit. It’s a rough thing to talk about here but I think that is a myth.

I think we have some ladies that I call country-strong, but they’re fit and they do the best with what they have and the bottom line is we judge them by this. They have to learn how to do pull-ups at some point in time, okay? They have to and I don’t care if they start with zero like Schmitty, when she arrived, she could do zero. Allison Schmitt—good swimmer. She can now do sets of six and she can go up to eight to ten. All right? That’s a gigantic improvement, obviously. Zero to ten and then, she’s doing sets and she starts off by doing three sets of one. When she first got here, we had to help her.

I had a young lady—Steve helped coach her, too—Amanda Adkins. She finished in ’99 and basically, what we’re looking at there, we were trying to figure out how she can make the Olympic team, what she could do better. I told her one thing, “You gotta get upper body strength.” She had a beautiful stroke. She trained well. She came back when she won the 200…

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